Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

04/12/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 58                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to medical assistance  for recipients                                                                    
     of Medicaid  waivers; establishing  an adult  care home                                                                    
     license  and procedures;  providing for  the transition                                                                    
     of  individuals from  foster care  to  adult home  care                                                                    
     settings; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:36:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TONY  NEWMAN,  ACTING  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF  SENIOR  AND                                                                    
DISABILITIES SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF HEALTH, explained that                                                                    
the  bill would  add  to  the array  of  services under  the                                                                    
Medicaid  Home  and  Community   Based  Waiver  Program.  He                                                                    
provided a  PowerPoint presentation titled "State  of Alaska                                                                    
Department  of  Health: House  Bill  58:  Adult Home  Care,"                                                                    
dated April 4, 2023.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:37:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Newman  turned   to  slide   2   titled   Senior   and                                                                    
Disabilities Services    Medicaid  Home and  Community Based                                                                    
Waivers:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     • Allow people with disabilities and seniors to remain                                                                     
       in their homes or local community settings when they                                                                     
       would otherwise need institutional care.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     • Home and Community Based Waivers receive a 50%                                                                           
       Federal and 50% General Fund Match                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • Alaska provides five home and community-based                                                                            
       waivers:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
             1. Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities                                                                   
            waiver (serving about 2,000 people)                                                                                 
             2. Alaskans Living Independently waiver (2,200                                                                   
               people)                                                                                                          
             3. Children with Complex Medical Conditions                                                                      
               waiver (225 people)                                                                                              
             4. Adults with Physical & Developmental                                                                          
               Disabilities waiver (144 people)                                                                                 
             5. Individualized Supports waiver (500 people)                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Newman  provided  examples of  the  types  of  Alaskans                                                                    
served by  waivers. He  exemplified that  the first  type of                                                                    
waiver  would serve  a  senior who  suffered  a stroke  that                                                                    
resulted in  permanent limited  mobility. The  second waiver                                                                    
would  serve  someone  with cerebral  palsy  or  a  disabled                                                                    
person able  to live  at home  with support.  He interjected                                                                    
that  waivers provided  people  with  more independence  and                                                                    
personal  choice  as well  as  saved  the state  significant                                                                    
amounts  of   money  that  would   otherwise  be   spent  on                                                                    
institutional care.  He turned  to slide 3  titled  Services                                                                    
Available Under  Alaska's Medicaid Home  and Community-Based                                                                    
Waivers:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Residential Habilitation (Group Home, Family Home                                                                          
       Habilitation)                                                                                                            
       In-Home Supports                                                                                                         
       Supported Living                                                                                                         
       Day Habilitation                                                                                                         
       Ault Day Services                                                                                                        
       Respite                                                                                                                  
      Supported Employment                                                                                                      
     • Transportation                                                                                                           
     • Environmental Modifications                                                                                              
     • Meals                                                                                                                    
     • Specialized Medical Equipment                                                                                            
     • Nursing Oversight                                                                                                        
     • Intensive Active Treatment                                                                                               
     • Specialized Private Duty Nursing                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     and Care Coordination                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Newman  delineated that not all  services were available                                                                    
for  every  waiver; some  only  provided  one service,  some                                                                    
provided many  services, some only  applied to  group living                                                                    
homes,  and some  were only  for in-home  care. All  waivers                                                                    
relied on  care coordinators  who set up  a plan  and helped                                                                    
waiver  recipients  take  advantage of  resources  in  their                                                                    
community.  He  detailed  that care  coordinators  were  not                                                                    
state employees. They were community  members who worked for                                                                    
private agencies throughout the state.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Newman  moved  to  slide 4  titled   Options  for  24/7                                                                    
Residential Care  for People on Medicaid  Home and Community                                                                    
Based  Waivers.  He  expounded that  HB 58  provided elderly                                                                    
Alaskans and  adults with disabilities who  were enrolled in                                                                    
Medicaid  home and  community-based waiver  services with  a                                                                    
new living option:  Adult Home Care. The  bill established a                                                                    
new licensed residential setting  type: Adult Care Home. The                                                                    
vision was that the service  and setting would offer reduced                                                                    
administrative  burdens   compared  with   current  assisted                                                                    
living options but  still ensure the care and  safety of the                                                                    
resident. The  legislation would  help address  the shortage                                                                    
of services  and settings for seniors  and other individuals                                                                    
who required  help with the  activities of daily  living and                                                                    
other assistance  to live more independently  and created an                                                                    
option  that  may   enable  some  people  to   remain  in  a                                                                    
community. He  exemplified a provider  as someone  who could                                                                    
provide  space  like an  extra  bedroom  but was  unable  to                                                                    
provide all  of the care.  The idea  for the bill  had first                                                                    
been  brought to  the governor's  attention by  constituents                                                                    
who were serving as foster  parents for children with severe                                                                    
disabilities that were  aging out of the  foster care system                                                                    
and the  only way to  continue to  provide care was  to turn                                                                    
the  home  into an  assisted  living  home, which  had  many                                                                    
requirements.  The department  realized that  a new  type of                                                                    
home care  setting could  be of  value to  other individuals                                                                    
with disabilities  including senior citizens. He  pointed to                                                                    
the proposed  Adult Care Home  information box on  the right                                                                    
lower corner  of the slide  and informed the  committee that                                                                    
there   would  be   different  administrative   expectations                                                                    
compared  to assisted  living homes.  He indicated  that the                                                                    
reduced requirements  would be  worked out in  regulation as                                                                    
well  as many  other aspects  like the  type of  credentials                                                                    
caregivers  would  need,  the  rate  of  payment,  etc.  The                                                                    
division  would invite  much input  from  its partners  that                                                                    
included  care  coordinators, families,  service  providers,                                                                    
advocacy groups, etc.  and from the Center  for Medicaid and                                                                    
Medicare Services  (CMS). The  drafted regulations  would be                                                                    
subject to a public comment period.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Newman concluded  that the  bill provided  a conceptual                                                                    
framework  to  implement  the  new   waiver.  The  bill  was                                                                    
necessary due  to the  lack of care  options, growth  in the                                                                    
senior  population, and  workforce shortages.  The situation                                                                    
required that  the department  think creatively  and provide                                                                    
more options to help people  get necessary care while living                                                                    
as  independently as  possible. The  concept was  especially                                                                    
important  in  small  communities   that  lacked  good  care                                                                    
options. The department expected  that Adult Home Care would                                                                    
grow  in   popularity  and   ultimately  be   an  attractive                                                                    
alternative for Alaskans.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:43:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Newman concluded  the presentation  and  offered to  go                                                                    
through the sectional analysis.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster requested a review of the sectional.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Newman reviewed the sectional analysis (copy on file):                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1.  Adds a  new section  in AS  47.07, Medicaid                                                                    
     Assistance for Needy Persons,  declaring that the state                                                                    
     shall  pay   for  adult  home  care   services  for  an                                                                    
     individual at  a daily  rate set  by the  department in                                                                    
     regulation  for  individuals  on Medicaid  who  are  at                                                                    
     least  18;  enrolled  in  a  home  and  community-based                                                                    
     waiver under AS 47.07.045;  if the individual's support                                                                    
     plan is approved  for adult home care  services; and if                                                                    
     they person  providing the  services to  the individual                                                                    
     holds  an  adult  care home  license  issued  under  AS                                                                    
     47.32. This section also  allows individuals to receive                                                                    
     habilitative  and rehabilitative  care  in addition  to                                                                    
     adult home care services  and directs the department to                                                                    
     adopt  regulations  setting  a rate  for  the  service,                                                                    
     establish standards  for operating an adult  care home,                                                                    
     and   establish  a   procedure  for   transitioning  an                                                                    
     individual  from  a  licensed  foster care  home  to  a                                                                    
     licensed  adult care  home. This  section also  directs                                                                    
     the  department to  establish  a  simple and  efficient                                                                    
     process to  allow a  foster parent  who holds  a foster                                                                    
     home license  issued under AS 47.32  to transition from                                                                    
     the foster home  license to an adult  care home license                                                                    
     for  purposes  of  maintaining  the  placement  of  and                                                                    
     services   provided    to   an   individual    who   is                                                                    
     transitioning  out  of  foster   care,  enrolled  in  a                                                                    
     waiver, and at least 18 years of age.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2. Amends AS 47.32.010(b)  to add a new entity,                                                                    
     "adult  care  homes,"  that shall  be  subject  to  the                                                                    
    centralized licensing functions of the department.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3. Adds a new  section to AS 47.33 that defines                                                                    
     the conditions  under which the department  may license                                                                    
     an  adult  care  home.  A person  may  be  licensed  to                                                                    
     operate such a  home for an individual who  is at least                                                                    
     18 years of  age and enrolled in Medicaid  and home and                                                                    
     community-based  waiver services.  An  adult care  home                                                                    
     may provide  24-hour oversight and  care for up  to two                                                                    
     adults  for  compensation  or reimbursement  under  the                                                                    
     adult  home  care  service, allows  the  department  to                                                                    
     establish  standards in  regulation  to authorize  care                                                                    
     for   up  to   three  individuals   based  on   unusual                                                                    
     circumstances; and defines "care"  as providing for the                                                                    
     physical, mental, and social needs of an individual.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4. Amends  AS 47.32.900(2)  to add  adult care                                                                    
     homes to the  list of settings that are  not defined as                                                                    
     assisted living homes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5. Amends  AS 47.32.900 to add  a definition of                                                                    
     adult  care  home,  meaning  a  licensed  home,  not  a                                                                    
     business  site, in  which the  adult head  of household                                                                    
     resides  and  provides  24-hour care  on  a  continuing                                                                    
     basis for eligible individuals.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  6.  Amends  uncodified law  by  adding  a  new                                                                    
     section  that  requires  the Department  of  Health  to                                                                    
     submit for approval by the  United States Department of                                                                    
     Health  and Human  Services an  amendment to  the state                                                                    
     medical   assistance   plan,   waivers,  or   an   1115                                                                    
     demonstration  waiver as  necessary  to allow  eligible                                                                    
     individuals  to receive  adult home  care services  and                                                                    
     other   long-term   care    services   that   are   not                                                                    
     duplicative.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  7.  Amends  uncodified law  by  adding  a  new                                                                    
     Conditional  Effect   Notification  section  specifying                                                                    
     that  Section  1  takes affect  if  the  United  States                                                                    
     Department  of  Health   and  Human  Services  approves                                                                    
     amendments to the state plan  submitted under Section 6                                                                    
     by July 1, 2027, and  adds requires the commissioner of                                                                    
     health  to notify  the revisor  of statutes  in writing                                                                    
    within 30 days that those amendments were approved.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  8.  Provides for  an  effective  date for  any                                                                    
     portion of  section 1 as  the day after the  revisor of                                                                    
     statutes  receives  notice  from  the  commissioner  of                                                                    
     health, per Section 7.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster referenced the fiscal  notes. He stated that                                                                    
committee  members could  ask questions  about fiscal  notes                                                                    
during  the  current  meeting  and  receive  an  answer  the                                                                    
following meeting.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  supported   the  legislation.  He                                                                    
understood   that  the   current   fiscal   notes  were   in                                                                    
anticipation  of implementing  the program.   He  asked once                                                                    
the  program was  running what  the General  Fund (GF)  need                                                                    
would  be. He  asked if  it would  be possible  to decrement                                                                    
other programs  for services that  were no  longer necessary                                                                    
due  to the  new care  type.  Mr. Newman  answered that  the                                                                    
fiscal notes  addressed hiring two new  staff. He elaborated                                                                    
that  one would  be placed  in  the Division  of Senior  and                                                                    
Disabilities  Services (SDS)  to administer  the adult  home                                                                    
care  service by  certifying and  monitoring providers.  The                                                                    
other staff would  be housed in the Division  of Health Care                                                                    
Service for  licensing needs.  There was  not a  fiscal note                                                                    
for Medicaid  Services because the  Adult Care  Home service                                                                    
would serve  as an alternative  to the existing  service and                                                                    
in  some cases,  it would  be  more expensive  and, in  some                                                                    
cases,  it  would be  less  expensive.  He anticipated  that                                                                    
costs  would  breakeven  and  DOH   did  not  anticipate  an                                                                    
increase in Medicaid serve costs.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  looked at both of  the positions under                                                                    
the fiscal  notes. He  wondered whether  all of  the backend                                                                    
work as  far as the  waiver application process  through CMS                                                                    
was already  completed. Mr. Newman answered  in the negative                                                                    
and   added that the  work had not  yet been done.  He noted                                                                    
that the department  had a policy team that did  the work of                                                                    
interfacing with CMS when changes  to the waivers were made.                                                                    
Representative  Stapp  stated  that applying  for  a  waiver                                                                    
typically had an  associated cost. He asked if  the cost was                                                                    
already covered  and assumed the department  could handle it                                                                    
with  existing  resources.  Mr.   Newman  responded  in  the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
Representative Galvin assumed that  other states had similar                                                                    
issues and  turned to similar  programs. She asked  if there                                                                    
was data  that could  help detail the  ongoing costs  of the                                                                    
proposed  program.  Mr. Newman  responded  that  one of  the                                                                    
challenges  with comparing  the  waiver  program with  other                                                                    
states was that every  state's waiver program was different.                                                                    
He  delineated  that  Washington   and  Oregon  had  similar                                                                    
programs in  place with  different names,  but the  idea was                                                                    
similar  across  the board  in  other  states as  well.  The                                                                    
program  enabled turning  private  homes  where seniors  and                                                                    
those  with  disabilities could  live  and  subject them  to                                                                    
lower  licensing requirements  than  assisted living  homes.                                                                    
They would become a less  expensive alternative than nursing                                                                    
homes and other institutional care.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:50:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked   for  verification  that  the                                                                    
proposal  had been  proven to  be  less of  an expense  than                                                                    
institutional  care. She  voiced that  it was  reassuring to                                                                    
hear other states had successful  programs. She wondered how                                                                    
long the  program had  been in effect  in other  states. Mr.                                                                    
Newman replied that  the programs had been  in existence for                                                                    
years, but he did not know the exact length of time.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked  how  many  people  the  department                                                                    
expected to  be part  of the program  over time.  Mr. Newman                                                                    
answered there  were currently about 5,500  Alaskans on Home                                                                    
and  Community   Based  Waivers,  with   approximately  2000                                                                    
residing in institutional care or  assisted living homes. He                                                                    
elaborated  that the  program  intended to  serve a  smaller                                                                    
subset of people. He did not  know the number of people that                                                                    
would eventually sign up. He  noted that the fiscal note was                                                                    
estimated at 40 people occupying  the homes in the first few                                                                    
years.  Co-Chair  Johnson looked  at  the  fiscal note  that                                                                    
remained  the same  until FY  2029 when  a new  position was                                                                    
added.  She  asked if  the  funding  would be  automatically                                                                    
added to the base without coming back to the legislature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:53:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Newman responded that he  was not certain how it worked.                                                                    
He  guessed that  there  was   some sort  of  true up   that                                                                    
informed the legislature  of the intended funding  for a new                                                                    
position.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  remarked that the  next bill  hearing would                                                                    
include  authors  of  the fiscal  notes  that  could  answer                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Newman interjected that someone  from the department was                                                                    
online  to  answer  the  question.  He  indicated  that  the                                                                    
question  of  anticipated  need   for  the  program  in  the                                                                    
outyears could be answered.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  NAVE,  PROGRAM  MANAGER,  DIVISION  OF  HEALTH  CARE                                                                    
SERVICES,   DEPARTMENT  OF   HEALTH  (via   teleconference),                                                                    
replied that the  forecasted need for the  extra position in                                                                    
FY  29 was  based off  the current  caseload of  a Community                                                                    
Care Licensing  Specialist 1, which  was 76  assisted living                                                                    
homes. The  anticipated increase in licensing  needs created                                                                    
the need for the secondary position in FY 29.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  was curious about whether  the increase in                                                                    
the  outyears  would be  automatic  because  it was  in  the                                                                    
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  indicated that  he would  reach out  to the                                                                    
Legislative Finance Division for an answer.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked  where   the  new  positions  would                                                                    
reside.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:56:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Newman  believed  the positions  would  be  located  in                                                                    
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  pointed to a bullet  point on slide                                                                    
4  that  stated,   less  administrative  requirements.   She                                                                    
acknowledged  that the  requirements  would be  forthcoming.                                                                    
She  cited page  1,  Section 1  of the  bill  and noted  the                                                                    
requirements were  establishing a daily rate,  standards for                                                                    
care, standards  for operating  and transitioning,  etc. She                                                                    
understood  the concept  that there  should not  be as  many                                                                    
requirements as  in assisted living  homes, but  it appeared                                                                    
that  many requirements  could not  be  eliminated. She  was                                                                    
concerned  because it  was  often  family members  providing                                                                    
care and if they had to jump  through so many hoops to get a                                                                    
license it could create a  second waiting list. She wondered                                                                    
if  there  was  a  discussion about  removing  some  of  the                                                                    
assisted living requirements from the list.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Newman  answered that the  department had  compiled some                                                                    
ideas  regarding  lowering  the  administrative  burden.  He                                                                    
detailed  that   currently  an  assisted  living   home  was                                                                    
required to maintain three months  of operating reserves. He                                                                    
desired  to   waive  that   requirement  and   reduce  other                                                                    
administrator  requirements. He  reported that  there was  a                                                                    
degree requirement to operate  an assisted living home which                                                                    
he wanted removed  or lessened. There was  a small licensing                                                                    
fee to  provide assisted living, which  the department would                                                                    
like to  see waived. In  addition, the DOH wanted  to remove                                                                    
square  footage  requirements.  The department  intended  to                                                                    
engage  with  the  stakeholders  for  input.  Representative                                                                    
Coulombe  favored the  ideas. She  asked about  the few  bad                                                                    
actors that  may try to  take advantage of the  program. She                                                                    
wondered if there  had been discussion around  follow ups or                                                                    
how the service  would be monitored and  inspected to ensure                                                                    
client  safety.  Mr. Newman  answered  that  it would  be  a                                                                    
certified service and  the service would need  to be renewed                                                                    
with  the  division  and  licensure  renewal  included  home                                                                    
visits and monitoring.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  asked what the  ramifications would                                                                    
be if a person was not  taking good care of their residents.                                                                    
Mr.  Newman responded  that  the  individual receiving  care                                                                    
would not  lose their  waiver. The department  would suspend                                                                    
certification  if the  provider  was not  living  up to  the                                                                    
standards and requirements and waivers could revoked.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  asked if the  purpose of the  bill was                                                                    
to  make   homecare  more  available  in   Alaska  and  more                                                                    
affordable   and  advantageous   for   people  to   consider                                                                    
providing the  services in their homes  because the services                                                                    
would  be covered  through  Medicaid.  Mr. Newman  confirmed                                                                    
that  Representative   Ortizs   summary  of  the   bill  was                                                                    
correct.  He added  that the  bill was  intended to  provide                                                                    
more home style  alternatives so people could  stay in their                                                                    
home or community  and also enable more  providers to become                                                                    
available.  Representative Ortiz  deduced that  the provider                                                                    
would  also  be  motivated  by   the  ability  to  get  some                                                                    
reimbursement for  the service.  Mr. Newman answered  in the                                                                    
affirmative.  Representative  Ortiz   asked  whether  HB  58                                                                    
enabled more options  available in rural areas.  He asked if                                                                    
monitoring in rural areas was possible.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:03:53 PM                                                                                                                    
Mr. Newman responded that providing  services in rural areas                                                                    
was  exactly the  hope,  particularly  in rural  communities                                                                    
where assisted living was lacking.  The driving force of the                                                                    
legislation  was  to  enable   people  to  remain  in  their                                                                    
communities.  Representative   Ortiz  thought   the  concept                                                                    
sounded good.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  relayed that she had  a family member                                                                    
in care  that passed away and  was assessing the bill  as it                                                                    
related  to her  experience.  She  referenced the  sectional                                                                    
analysis that stated the head  of the household lived in the                                                                    
residence and  provided 24 hour  care. She wanted  to ensure                                                                    
that her interpretation  was not so narrow as  to assume the                                                                    
person was  the only  caregiver. She wondered  whether other                                                                    
caregivers were allowed  or was it reliant on  only the head                                                                    
of the household as caregiver.  She noted that no individual                                                                    
could  provide  24  hour  care for  very  long.  Mr.  Newman                                                                    
replied that one  of the things he was  most looking forward                                                                    
to with HB  58 was to decide on the  ancillary services that                                                                    
would assist the  caregiver. He pointed to Section  1 of the                                                                    
bill that  allowed  an  individual may  receive habilitative                                                                    
and  rehabilitative  care in  addition  to  adult home  care                                                                    
services.   He delineated  that the  resident would  receive                                                                    
supplemental services. The details  would be worked out with                                                                    
stakeholders  to determine  what  mix of  services would  be                                                                    
available.  The homeowner  would  be expected  to provide  a                                                                    
certain level of  care and what needed to  be determined was                                                                    
the  supplemental   care  services.   Representative  Hannan                                                                    
shared that when her sister  needed increased overnight care                                                                    
and  had finally  agreed to  assisted living,  she needed  a                                                                    
nurse  to  administer medications.  She  hoped  that in  the                                                                    
proposed adult home care model  a caregiver could administer                                                                    
medications,  or  the  person  would need  to  reside  in  a                                                                    
nursing home.  She added that current  assisted living homes                                                                    
were not set up to  administer medications. She presumed the                                                                    
division was fully aware of the situation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Neuman  replied  that  every  case  was  different  and                                                                    
emphasized  that every  person needed  different care  and a                                                                    
different level  of care.  He noted that  one of  the waiver                                                                    
services called   nursing oversight  where a  nurse could be                                                                    
available to a caregiver.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster reiterated  that  there would  be a  deeper                                                                    
dive into the fiscal notes in the next bill hearing.                                                                            
HB  58  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 58 LFD Response to Q Out Year FN Costs 041323.pdf HFIN 4/12/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 58